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Bockz

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sorry to fire up on old thread but i mostly wanted to ask David White something and couldn't figure out how to just send you a message. I was also wondering about having you fix my seating stem if at all possible
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Bockz,

welcome to the forum and God Bless.

My email address is at the bottom of every post that I do. Click on it to send me an email, or copy and paste it...

If you don't want to email your questions, you can ask here on the forum...


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We have 2 T/C Encores with MGM .357 Maximum barrels and just started handloading.  I am struggling a little with bullet seating depth.  YouTube has info on determining bullet to land depth for bolt actions but haven't seen anything for break open guns.  Can you shed some light on this subject?

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In the tens of thousands of 357 Maximum rounds that I have fired over the years, I have found that in a break open single shot, if the bullet is seated in the cannelure and a good firm crimp applied, that yields the best accuracy potential for the 357 Maximum...

Winchester 296 powder seems to one of the best all around powders for the 357 Maximum, and Hodgdon's Lil'Gun does very well for the heavier bullets, 180 gr. and up...


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Earlier I seated a 180 hcfn speer and a hornaday 180 xtp way out from the cannelure inserted them into the gun.  They showed no evidence of hitting the rifle lands.  I just came in from the gun room and inserted a 180 gr speer hcfn by hand into a empty brass gently slid it into the chamber close it...opened it and the bullet stuck in the lands but just barley...one tap and it fell out.  Is that normal or am I overthinking this based on your earlier reply?  I do use W296 exclusively but plan on using some Lil'Gun soon.  Being an analytical person we sometimes get carried away searching for the perfect "one holer rifle".  Thanks I value your knowledge and years of experience greatly!!!!


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That is an overly long throat in my opinion. Good for 200 gr. and heavier bullets for big hogs, and that's about it...

Even when the bullet has to "jump" to make contact with the rifling, a good solid crimp in the cannelure will still create your most accurate loads 99+% of the time...


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I also have a MGM 357 max barrel and it has a VERY long throat in my opinion. And what David has told you is very true, I've tinkered a lot with this cartridge and to date a heavy roll crimp in the cannular is the ticket. With the speer180 hcfp in my barrel I touch the lands with a col at 2.391, with the bullet seated and crimped in the cannular my col is 2.160 and the gun will shoot a 1inch group at 100yds if i do my part with a very stiff charge of LiLgun and the velocity is over 2400+fps and it is a a heavily compressed load so much so it deforms the tips of the speers into a funny looking round nose. NOW I'm on to building a better mouse trap( in my mind anyway) to me and my gun the crimp is everything to making it shoot. So I was placing a order to Midway anyway I also picked up a 357 magnum collet factory crimp die for like $12 less than 1/2 the price to have Lee make me one for the MAX and using regular ol washers build the shell holder up to crimp the MAX case where I want the bullet seated, so now I have a few round loaded up to try that have a col of 2.300. So all and all it will be a week or so till I get to play with these "New" loads and when I do I'll post the results here. David is a wealth of information on this cartridge of you follow his advice you wont be steered wrong. My quest for for what I'm trying to do is having hunting accuracy with a 180gr bullet running 2500fps out of my 24 inch barrel. And I have my base line in place..... sorry this is so long winded David..
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No need to apologize! That's why the forum is here, and the more we can help each other, the better...

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Wow that's extraordinary Yoda...those are almost the same dimension my bullets are from the lands.  I do use a Lee collet/roll crimp die but have not been doing a real heavy crimp.  Is it best to seat your bullets to the middle of the cannelure or to the bottom edge?  It will be really interesting to hear the results of your experiment.  God Bless you guy's this is exception information.

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I'm not sure if it matters where you put the crimp, I crimped at the bottom of the cannular because I wanted as much room for powder as possible. Also just to get things right in my head
You said u you use Lee's collet/roll crimp die, these are 2 completely different dies right ? The 357 Maximum collet crimp die is a special order only from lee, the the factory crimp die which is the roll crimp die is just a 357 magnum die.
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Billy if your still in Akron your only about 40 min north of me most of the time anymore, I've been shooting at the range in Munger... small world..
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Do you mean Gilford Gun Club?  We need to get together... how is the best way to exchange numbers to keep them private? 
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I'm a linwood bay member . Their rifle range is in Munger on Kingsley road I think, I'll have to look it up. Here's my email address jpking250645@gmail.com, send me a email with your number and I'll text you or give me your email
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Kinney road, not the road I first said
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Sent a email call me.
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