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I just picked up a TC factory chambered 24" blue .357 max encore barrel. It's for a rifle I'm building for my daughter (and she doesn't know it yet) to hopefully take her first couple of Indiana deer with this fall. I have a couple quick questions. I know there's a lot of info on this site on the max & I plan on reading all of it eventually but realistically how far will this round reach out there & still be effective on whitetail deer? I know that a lot will depend on what ammo we're shooting which I'm guessing will be in the 180-200 gr range. It's supposed to be a 1 in 14" twist & from what I've read so far that should handle 125 gr up to 200 gr bullets. But, are they 250 yd guns like I've heard or is that stretched a bit. I know it will shoot that far but will it have enough energy to humanely kill a deer at that range? Thanks guys. I'm really looking forward to getting this build done & working up some loads & especially hunting with my daughter this fall. Thanks David for such an awesome site! Shoot straight & God bless. Jim.
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Jim,

welcome to the forum and God Bless.

Thank you for the compliments, I appreciate it...

From the testing and shooting that I have done, with a 180 gr. bullet, the 357 Maximum is an honest 200 yd. gun. That distance could be stretched a little bit, depending on the specific bullet used and muzzle velocity...

The Remington 180 gr. JHP is one of the best bullets for stretching the distance on the 357 Maximum. Penetration and expansion are excellent, as is accuracy from this bullet...

There are no 200 gr. jacketed bullets that will expand at 200 yds. from any 357 Maximum. This weight bullet will perform just like a full metal jacket...

My choice for a second bullet would be SPEER's 180 gr. flat nose Hot-Core....

What else?




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Ok great. That's what I'm looking for is an honest 200 yd rifle. I was hoping that's what I would get out of her max & my new 460 S&W mag. Also, I found your data on the "expansion test" & I see what you mean about the 200's not expanding. I was hoping to see the 180 interlocks from hornady expanding with the max as I have a couple boxes of those but I figured they would be more suited to bigger 35's like the whelen or rem's. Now that Remington 180 gr sure is a performer at max velocities. That's definitely what I'll try first when I start loading for the max. Thanks for sharing all your valuable knowledge & experience with the rest of us. I think this little "max" venture is going to be a fun one. At least it will offer some quality time with my daughter at the range & in the woods. She's a senior in high school now & will be college bound this time next year so I need every opportunity I can to spend time with her. And besides she loves to shoot & she's excited about hunting this fall so it should be an enjoyable time for both of us. Thanks. Jim.
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Jim,

if you have coyotes or need a longer range bullet, the 140 gr. Hornady FTX bullets will have a flatter trajectory and less recoil than the 180 gr. bullets...

"Most" of our deer around here are not that big and if I wanted to stretch the distance with the 357 Maximum, that would be a good bullet. This one I have shot at 300 yds. - targets, not deer, and it definitely has the accuracy to put the bullet where you want it...

For the barrel length you have, I believe Winchester 296 powder will give you the best velocity and accuracy potential from your gun, and I have always shot Remington 7 1/2 primers...

I hope your daughter gets the opportunity to kill a deer with her 357 Maximum and that you're right there with her to enjoy the moment. God Bless you both....



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Well that sounds like that might be another good choice to play around with as far as bullet selection goes. I'm just getting in to handloading so I'll probably have a lot more questions for you guys in the near future. Hopefully I'm gonna make it to the range tomorrow & try this max out & see how it handles. I don't think I've ever fired a max in a rifle before & I know the recoil is probably not too much (depending on the load) but I wondered if my daughter would benefit from having a brake installed on it? I want it to be as easy & comfortable for her to shoot as possible. I may send this max barrel to you along with my 460 barrel to have them both brake'd. We'll see just how it handles first. Thanks David & God bless. Jim.
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I am working on loads now for my 460 TC plan to stick with 200 grain Hod. FTX problem so far is its a pistol and I am shooting a rifle More to come as powder,bullets and dies are on the way
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Hi there denny. The 200 gr ftx is what I planned to shoot in my 20" 460 encore until I started loading my own but I have read several accounts of that particular bullet not being effective on deer. Supposedly almost disintegrating on impact when hit in the front shoulder bone area??? I've read atleast 15 times where guys lost deer like that & some had found them dead days later & the bullet had not even penetrated the shoulder bone but had like fragmented into little pieces. Although it probably was fatal in most cases, it was likely days & miles away from where they were shot. Can anybody else shed any light on this? That's the last thing I want to happen to deer I shoot. I don't know for sure if these were factory hornady loads or bad handloads or what but it definitely concerned me. Thanks. Jim.
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Just a personal note on this - I feel that with a 200 gr. bullet behaving like what you describe, bullet placement should be limited to behind the front shoulder, for a heart lung shot, where the only bone or bones encountered would be the much lighter rib bones. Even if the bullet still disintegrates, you are still going to EXPLODE the heart and lungs! This is a very devastating and fatal shot and one that will cause the animal to bleed out rather quickly, even if it just happens to be internal bleeding. Internal or external, the animal is still going to expire rather quickly...

This bullet is not designed for front shoulder shots and therein lies the problem....

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Thanks for your insight David. That's what I was wondering if these guys who claimed this happened to, were just poorly placed shots or what. I figured a well placed heart/lung shot would be extremely effective with that bullet. That's why I ask on here. Thanks David.
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